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2002 Indoor - Two National Meets

Is Something Missing?

What people are saying about the split nationals

After covering 2002 NSI, penntrackxc publisher Don Rich wrote what many people have been saying -- something is missing by having the nation's athletes divided between two "national" indoor meets on the same weekend. We published Rich's article, and that provoked email responses from readers.

Don Rich: Something's Missing - MA coach : Lots of questions -
NY coach: Merger will never happen - FL coach : 2 meets are better -
ID coach and dad: the kids lose - let's have a true national championship instead - PA coach: I side with MAC - PA athlete: HS kids agree something's missing -
MA former athlete: the drama is missing - MA official: athletes benefit from 2 meets -

Something's Missing

by Don Rich

It's March 11, 2002. Six months after the worst terrorist attack in the history of the United States. And it was a day that was on everyone's mind March 8-10 - the three days of the National Scholastic Indoor Championships (NSIC) at the Armory at 168th and Washington Square in Manhattan. Some people talked about it. It's hard not to when you visit New York these days. Others took the opportunity to visit Ground Zero - the site of the attacks. But all stopped what they were doing as eyes turned toward the flag during the singing of the National Anthem at Sunday's Opening Ceremony. An honor guard of the NYPD presented the colors. Everyone appreciated the significance, and the effort.

But there was a track meet to be run. And despite the approach of the poignant anniversary, athletes and coaches turned their attention to the job at hand. Competing in a national championship.

But there was something missing. (more on that soon).

To begin, the NSIC boasted five new national records. Six if you count one athlete breaking her own national record she had set a day earlier. The five new marks matched the effort in 2001. But could there have been more?

First, full attention and props to the five records and the athletes who accomplished them. Plus the athletes who defended records, despite injuries.

First, there is Sanya Richards. The Florida senior obliterated the girls' indoor 400 record by over a second. A record held by none other than Angel Perkins, who was present, but injured, straining a hamstring Saturday in the 400 trials late in the afternoon. As Perkins approached the timer's table, she went down and began to stretch, obviously in pain. An hour later, she was still limping badly. But there she was Sunday, coming to the line to give it a shot. She would finish. Walking. In pain. Through for the meet, and missing the 200 final, she would not get the opportunity to win back the record she had lost to Richards only a day earlier. It was a tough way to go out. But her courage in toeing the line showed why she had become the champion she is.

Richard's three-record assault was not entirely expected. But when she went 23.41 (US record) and 53.43 (nearly US record) in Saturday's two Prelmis - and looked so strong and fluid doing it, expectations were raised for the two Sunday finals. The first was the eye-popping 52.10 to become the first girl under 53 indoors. The likes of Natasha Hastings, 8th grade wonder Brandi Cross of Texas, and Tiffany Abney could only watch the final two turns turn into a victory sprint for Richards.

As the 200 approached, Richards calmly visualized her race as introductions blared, and the crowd waited. We waited exactly 23.22 seconds. And another record was set.

The first record of the meet came at the end of the first day as the Red Bank NJ and Bronxville NY DMR's both broke the 10-day-old record of 11:50.86 by Boys and Girls NY (which in turn had broken the 18-year-old standard of 11:52.80). The two teams went 11:49.34 and 11:49.61, as Red Bank anchor Kathleen Trotter held off Michelle Rorke, who was closing fast.

The third record of the meet fell on Saturday, as Massachusetts senior Samantha Shepard broke her own indoor mark in the Pole Vault by 3/4", going 13-04.25, the 3rd best ever, indoor or out. "When you do a really, really good jump, you just kind of float through the air. It goes so fast." The final of three attempts to get the all-time record was close. But that's what other meets are for.

The last of the five records came in the boys' 4x200 as Deep Creek VA came close in Saturday's Prelims, but nailed it on Sunday to win by over a second. Their 1:27.09 led four other teams under 1:30. (Note: The Speed City girls (Long Beach, CA) ran the 2nd fast 4x200 of all time, missing the record by .35.)

Each was a remarkable performance. Others, like those of Boys & Girls' Stacey Livingston, who ran and finished two relays in total collapse while competing with the flu, were remarkable, as well.

But there was still something missing.

Actually, there was a lot missing. So as most track fans do, I'm going to do a little speculating. Not about which meet 'won' and which 'lost.' About what we're in the sport to enjoy, the competition among the best an event, or a year, has to offer. So here goes.

At NSIC, there were two Canadians crossing the line ahead of the first American in the Mile. One went 4:12.33; the second, 4:14.09. And the American, Phil Gaeta of Oakton VA, was across before a third Canadian, in 4:16.44. But what a race it would have been if Bobby Curtis, Alex Tatu and Sam Bair had run in the same heat. They were all in the 4:16 range, and have run faster. Who would have pushed the pace? If four guys instead of one had gone with the Canadians, would their strategy have been different?

And what about the two-mile? Nurani Sheikh, by his own admission, had run a conservative (14:44 second place) 5000 Friday to save something for the eight-lapper on Sunday, where he expected to 'run my own race." His own race was alone after the mile, winning in 9:03.41. But with Bobby Lockhart, Chris Solinsky, Brian Dalpiaz and Peter Meindl in the mix, would the race have been more tactical? Would Lockhart have gone faster than 8:58.04? Would Sheikh? I'd love to know.

Three guys were under 48 in the 400 at the NIC. Would NSIC champ Raymond Williams have joined them racing on the same track?

Haddonfield traveled four hours (with an overnight stop) between a winning DMR in New York and a winning 4xMile in Maryland. They left behind two teams that bettered their winning mark in MD. Could they have attained new heights racing North Mecklenberg NC, Cardinal O'Hara PA, and LaSalle OH? Maybe? Maybe not?

Glen Mills has run great all season. They ran well in winning at NIC, going 3:19.51. But they've gone faster. Twice. Would they have mixed it up with Taft, Speed City (Long Beach, CA) and Transit Tech to challenge the John Muir record? Wouldn't we all like to know?

The boys' High Jump was won at both meets with leaps under 6-09. Another athlete or two at either place could have pushed it higher. And less than two inches separated the winners of the boys' Triple Jumps.

And it was no different on the girls' side.

For instance, in the 60 Meter Dash, just .02 separated one-two and first at the two meets. Girls from TX, PA and CA may always be guessing.

Julia Lucas ran a great DMR leg on Friday, so was moved to the hot heat of the Mile for Sunday. She ran alone, going 4:51.56. And so, apparently did Molly Huddle in MD, going 4:46.42. Lucas - who has been through three stress fractures, a break, and anemia since her sophomore year, will have to wait for another day to see if Huddle is in her sights. "I knew every name in the race, and all their times, so getting on the line I just told myself I need to stop thinking about myself as an underdog, I can hang with these girls, and I did." I can't wait for Lucas to race Huddle.

Megan Kaltenbach would have benefited from the presence of Laura Zeigle in the 2-mile. And so would the fans.

Only Heidi Magill and Selena Sappleton broke 2:10 in the 800. Mindy Sullivan and Jennifer Perry would have been right on their heels. Would a 2:07 or 2:08 have been the result?

Chaunte Howard cleared 5-10, the best she has done this early in the year. Facing Sheena Gordon, who did clear 6-0 n MD, would she have surprised herself approaching her PR from last spring?

For me, something was missing in New York.

Not the dedication, perseverance, or sheer joy of competition. Just the opportunity to see, and enjoy, this year's best in one meet.

Isn't it time that the marketing acumen and muscle of Nike married the experience and historical passion of the Metropolitan Athletic Congress and the National Scholastic Sports Foundation to let us all find out who the best really are from year to year?

It's for the kids. Or at least that's what I always hear.

 

 

Two National Championship Meets – Same Weekend?

by Jeff Robbins

Two meets on the same weekend seek to attract scholastic athletes with the best track & field performances of the year once again.
· Where are the meets this year?
Syracuse, NY - Boston, MA - Columbus, OH - Bloomington, Ill - New York, NY - Landover, Md.

a.. Is any “National Championship” meet conducted with the approval of the National Federation of High Schools?
b.. Why are the New York State High School Championship Meet, the “National Scholastic Indoor Championship Meet”, and, the “Nike Indoor Classic Meet” all on the same weekend in March?
c.. In any year, how can there be a U.S. Championship meet with the State of New York not included?
d.. Does USA Track & Field, “The national governing body for track & field, long-distance running, and race walking”, sanction two meets on the same weekend with each indicating: “National Championship” in their publicity”?

What helps athletes, coaches and parents decide which meet to go to?

Money? / Being listed as an “All American” / “Promise of TV & Newspaper Coverage” / Location

Whether Nike or New Balance has a better ad campaign?

During the indoor seasons of 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 quality track and field athletes, coaches and parents have heard the following:

a.. “Come with us”
b.. “Who won? Nike Indoor Classic (NIC) at Bloomington IN or New Balance National Scholastic Indoor (NSI) at NY”
c.. “We are legitimate”
d.. “Who won the battle of national indoor championships? 2000”
e.. “They are spreading lies”

We have been asked to:

a.. Choose one or the other.
b.. Go to both.
c.. Take sides.
d.. Form an allegiance.
e.. Profess loyalty.

Being an eternal optimist, I will continue to believe that old wounds will find a way to heal and that a new day will bring sense and understanding.

Perhaps a 2000 year old poem is the model that we can all come to practice –

Go to the people
Learn from them
Love them
Start with what they have
But of the best leaders
When their task is accomplished
Their work is done
The people will remark
"We have done it ourselves."

Jeff Robbins – Natick, Mass

Air Time Athletics

 

 

Merger will never happen

by Fred Thompson

Don [Rich], there are many who agree with you, and they all are writers or people
connected with a certain national office and shoe company. I have been around
this meet from its inception, and I know why there are such bitter feelings
that it will never work to try to put these groups together. If you know the
facts as to why one group HAD to leave New York, (and I believe you do ),
then you know I am right.

During the year I open Dyestat and I see two symbols, one for a Junior Olympics run by the governing body, and the other by AAU. No clamor for one meet from anybody. Why? Take a look at the kids who went to the AAU meet and you will see that the kids who did not have the money to go to Calif. drove to the AAU meet.Most of them came from the south eastern part of the country. Why no clamor for one meet here?.

If I take your entry stats as real then we are talking about a meet with over 3000 kids. How many days are you talking about.?

The best things for the world of track is to let these meets stay as they are. MAC run in N.Y and NIKE wherever they would like to go. I was instrumental in convincing MAC to come to NY, its home. The other faction never wanted to come here , even after years of cajoling, until now.Why? For the kids? For the betterment of the sport?. I hardly think so.

Fred Thompson, Atoms Track Club, NY

 

 

2 meets are better

by Pat Crandall

To Don Rich: Don't you see the fallacy in your own argument? If we have 2 meets (or three or 4) of the highest caliber, then the kids ARE served. It's we the fans who selfishly want more. With 2 meets we really do have twice the excitement and
more significantly, twice the participation by top level prep athletes, and twice as many golds, silvers and bronzes.

As a HS coach, I see that HS track is not the Olympics, it's not even the NCAA's. Why must 16 and 17 year olds have to do what we adults want - i.e. sudden death meets, where only one can win. There's plenty of time for that later.

Let 2 people say the're the best, two sets of athletes say they made the finals at 'Nationals", etc. Don't spoil their fun (because they had lots of fun - and weren't worried about who was NOT there). Because, after all, it's for the kids!

Pat Crandall
Episcopal HS, Jacksonville FL

 

The kids lose now -
let's have a true national championship instead

by Jim Kilmartin

John Dye,

As a parent and coach I like many people did not enjoy having two major meets on the same weekend. It forces the kids to choose, and the politics and recruiting for the top kids was not always a pleasant experience. Who loses? The kids. I thought that is why we were in this track thing!

With your web site being the best in the land how about taking a survey about my idea that I am going to propose to you. It makes sense to me: hopefully it will to you.

Let's divide up the country similiar to the Junior Olympics. The Mid-West which would include Texas could have a meet at the University of Nebraska. (Adidas Classic). Southeast including Florida at Landover, Maryland (Nike Indoor). Northeast including New York at the Armory (NSIC), and the West including California in Pocatello, Idaho (Simplot Games). This would give you four main regions where most of the top kids perform.

Dividing the country into four main regions based on past performances would not be that difficult. Have these meets all on the same day. Take the top 3-6, or some logical number and have a qualifying mark to guarantee only the best. Therefore, if your number four from the Mid-West had a better time than other number threes let them all come. This would insure the best of the best.

Then have a National Championship in Boise, Idaho, or some place else that had an outstanding facility. We are building a new 200 meter indoor mondo track that will seat 2,500 plus. The WAC Championships are going to be here, and word is that USATF Indoors are looking here. Easy to get to, no traffic, nice facility, reasonable lodging costs, and food costs that don't bankrupt a family. We also have run the two most successful NCAA Championships in history. We have quality officials who could undertake this.

If not Boise at least some place similiar. This would take some coordination, but your current major indoor meets would not be hurt, and might even increase involvement. What a great weekend for track! What do you think?

Jim Kilmartin
Eagle ID

 

 

HS kids agree something's missing

by Mark Mullelly, PA runner, who ran at NIC

to Don Rich:

The article was great and you shouldn't get heat for a thought that you spoke and that every high school kid believes is the right thought. I was happy to read the article and see that an adult can reflect the athletes' rights.

 

 

I side with MAC

by Ken Abney, coach, United Stars track club, Philadelphia PA

Why NSIC over NIC?

"I went to New York for two reasons. First, because it's a fast track,
and second, I knew the caliber of the competition coming to the meet. I
know that MAC puts on great meets. It doesn't matter if it's youth, open
or high school."

What if NSIC were on the flat track and NIC on a banked track?

"I'd be torn. MAC will hold a great meet. I'd wind up going there. They
host a great meet."

Are there any circumstances under which you'd choose NIC over NSIC?

"MAC in all cases."

Should there be one meet?

"I don't see it as a problem. There are enough kids to go to both
meets."

What do you see as a possible solution to the problem?

"Have John (Dye) take over All-American status. At the meet (NSIC) they
said 'Dyestat Elite' when announcing times. So when the two meets are
over, John tabulates results, and the ones with the best performances
get All-American. All have an opportunity to run."

 

the drama is missing

by Joshua Seeherman

To Mr. Rich:

I read your article, and I definitely agree. In my scholastic days there was one meet, and it was at Reggie Lewis, and everyone from everywhere showed up.

You discussed high jump: I distinctly recall the famous moment when local MA legend Heather Francis passed her last two attempts at 5-10.75, knowing she would lose to Adriene Sims on misses, and then almost won the whole thing, just barely clipping the bar at 6-0.25. The entire crowd, with their body language, literally tried to will Francis over the bar. From what I have read, this type of drama has been missing since the introduction of the Nike meet.

My question to you is, as a Massachusetts scholastic athlete, I ran every high school race on a banked track, whether B.U. Armory, Reggie, or Harvard. When I went to college I had to start competing on flat ones, which were an utter pain to sprint (400m) on. I admit that the Landover site is a good flat track, but why would a coach want to go there over the 168th St. Armory, which is one of the fastest in the U.S. (I'll stay partial to B.U. lane 2) ??? Is it just because New York is much more of a logistical issue (hotels etc.) ?

Joshua Seeherman
University of Pennsylvania '01
Engineering Consultant

PS:
Just in case of any confusion, I wasn't comparing Reggie to New York -- the Armory is a great venue and definitely preferred over Reggie in terms of geographics. Rather I was referring to the flat surface of the Prince whatever Track in Landover.

 

 

The Two Indoor Meets - Athletes Benefit

"Is there something missing?" "Are two championships better than one?" (Who
decides these meets are National Championships?) "Do the kids agree
‘somethings missing’?" "I side with MAC/NSSF."

What should happen? I don’t know, but I can tell you that there are a lot of
high school athletes now being served by two meets at the end of the season.
MAC has done a great job over the years sponsoring their meet. NIKE is doing
its usual job of creating something for itself, no matter what problems it
creates.

How many athletes go to NY because of the fast track? How many go to NIKE
because it’s NIKE? Do the coaches influence where the athletes go? Do the
coaches get influenced?

Wouldn’t it be nice if both meets could get on the same financial platform
and then we could see which one is best. It will never happen since the
parties that conduct the meets will not be able to settle their differences.

Right now, both meets serve a purpose. They attract the best talent in the
country and produce a meet that is fantastic – no matter where you are. I
guess it will continue. The athletes will have to decide where to compete.
The press will continue to debate the pros and cons of the two meets.
However, the athletes will continue to benefit from the two meets.

One biased comment – indoor track is run in certain areas of the country and
the Two Indoor meets should stay in those areas.

John J. Carroll, Jr.
Falmouth (MA)

 

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