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Unofficial "Notes"
- State CIF Cross-Country Track/Cross-Country advisory - Doug Speck
Attendees:
Roger Blake, Steve Raupp, Dean Crowley, Bob McGuire, Marty Simpson, Roberta
Chisam, Pete Sawyer, Amber Lassiter, Bob King, Scott Fairley, Ernie Aguirre,
Doug Speck, Hal Harkness, Peter Brewer, Andy Leong, Jim Clendaniel, Alan
Amundson
1. Welcome and introductions
2. Approval of Agenda - approved
3. Approval of minutes of 10/1/02 Meeting - approved
4. State CIF update
--new office is settled in Oakland - possible to hold meetings in the
state office
5. Statewide electronic entries
--Hal Harkness spoke to movement towards similar hytek program for entries
where they do not have to be entered into a program by someone who runs
the meet or at the Section Finals site. Question raised about having common
four letter school names for hytek program. Common School ID list will
be posted on web site.
6. Selection of Honor Coaches
--Jim Duel spoke to need for names for Honor Coaches from Sections. Roger
Blake felt Section CC Advisory Committee members could be the source of
this information. Potential honroee information needs to go out in August
for Cross-Country and December 1st for Track. Some sections have nominated
folks and have them not fill out the paperwork to be honored. Some have
actually declined the nomination.
--Jim Duel also brought out information on media and the state cross-country
meet. Information was put on the State web site, 82 media members attended
the competition, and most areas seemed to go well.
Cross-Country Items
7. Championship Event Review - Roger Blake - Dean Crowley - Marty Simpson
--attendance higher, number of invitees up (226 teams 2002 meet - 179
2001 meet - 194 2000 meet - 149 1999 meet). Billy Tee's (T-shirt vendor)
was not notified about the addition in participants - 1900 vs. 1200 previous
year - they sold out. Fresno happy with room usage weekend of meet. Mistake
in placement of team in figuring caused adjustment in team participation
resulted in team being added week of the meet.
Marty Simpson (Meet management) - Felt meet went well - good day for running
- great times achieved by all the runners
Roger Blake - most of additions to the meet have been lower enrollment
divisions
8. Financial information - For the first time ever the total event came
out in the black to the tune of about $6000. A few small bills have to
be paid still. 2001 competition lost about $6000. Buchanan crew does a
super job of running the admission/entrance procedures, plus better weather
this year probably reasons for increased income versus 2001 (weather affected
by rain).
9. Commitee Report - Updated 4 year Result History -
10. Entry formula plus numbers -
Bob McGuire spoke to history that something like Girls Div I domination
of top spots by Southern Section (top 7 spots) would push any other area
out of added entrant possibilities. With the added entrant formula focusing
on top ten consideration soon other areas would not be allowed added entries.
With the Southern Section having the top seven spots this year and last
you have nine other sections competing for the three spots left to be
considered for added entries. There should be 23 teams at the starting
line. If the number of participants to the meet should be reduced in some
areas where it falls below that number than some adjustment should be
made. Maybe the baseline number to be considered for added entrants should
be out to 12 or 15 teams.
Questions raised on the adjustment of places that individuals need to
take to move on to the state meet from their section meet. There is not
enough time to change this for next year in the State Constitution, but
work can be done for the 2004 meet.
11. Awards Ceremony - some questions on the awards timeline. For the
next two years the schedule has been set up.
2003
8:30 girls Div I race (awards 10:00)
9:05 Girls Div II Race (awards 10:40)
9:40 Boys Div I Race (Awards 10:20)
10:10 Boys Division II Race (Awards 11:00)
10:40 Girls Division III Race (Awards 11:20)
11:15 Boys Division IV Race (Awards 11:50)
11:45 Girls Division V Race (Awards 12:25)
12:20 Boys Division III Race (Awards 12:55)
12:50 Girls Division IV Race (Awards 1:30)
1:25 Boys Division V Race (Awards 1:50)
--some discussion indicated that awards presentations may not start until
a few minutes late (built into system), with Div I Coach having race finish
at 9:57 or so and if they are the Girls Div I coach also, the awards there
starting at 10:00 a bit short a gap). In reality that first awards ceremony
usually really starts 10:05-10:10 and has not been problem in the past.
12. T-Shirts sales - lines long and supply short with added entrants.
Ordering can be done "on-line" next year.
--comments that smalls have been run out of lately at the competition
with realization of this causing long Friday lines.
--area not conducive to forming lines in that area, something that will
be dealt with in the future with some solid fencing for line markers.
13. Date - November 29th, 2003 Woodward Park - next year is the last
of a 3 year contract with Fresno -$7000 from City of Fresno to offset
costs and $5000 from the Visitor's Bureau - Government financial problems
next few years could affect Fresno's support.
Discussion - computer entries of athletes was discussed with a realization
that this direction will be moved to in the future.
Track and Field Items
15. Update 2003 Meeting - The Cerritos facility has been reserved for
the 2003 dates. The Olympic level facility being constructed at Cal State
Dominguez Hills may be considered in the future.
16. Final Financial Figures for 2002 - Friday income suffered with Games
and Kings playing in the playoffs those dates. Positive income of about
$30,000 was generated, and within the general State CIF budget it is expected
to generate $40,000.
17. Facility Update - Bouganvillas are to be cut down at Cerritos from
the Shot Put area.
18. Status of Helmets for Pole Vaulters - National Federation has mailed
out flyer on helmets on the Pole Vault. No helmets are designed for the
Pole Vault, but the Federation says that if you are designating that your
vaulters wear them that it is recommended they wear lacrosse helmets without
the protective facemask or eyeshield. Four states do now require helmets.
Pit regulations - old pits cannot be used, even for practice.
19. Officials - Nor Cal
--question on state meet officials being a part of an official's association
group. State CIF is working on this as an area to target in the future.
Southern California Track Starters is an accredited unit statewide.
20. Addition of 4x800 and Distance Medley Relay
--flow must come from the Leagues and Sections upwards to the State Level.
Strong feelings about this must start at the local area level. Committee
members are asked to poll their areas and sections about interest in potentially
doing the 4x800 relay at this time. There will be feedback at the October
meeting. If there is a need and a desire at the local level things can
move up the ladder (should start by being run at the league finals and
move up through the Section Meets, then there would be a possibility of
it being added at the State level?). North Coast Section has had it as
an exhibition event at its Section Meet (it could be run in the time gap
at state between 200's and 4x400 relays on Friday where there is no 3200
trials that date).
21. Date for 2004 - June 4-5 Sacramento
22. Others items of interest
a. Additional events - sectors - Jan 1, 2003 IAAF has changed International
Sectors from 40 degrees to to 34 degrees 92. High schools will probably
follow. You can go out 20 meters on a foul line from the center of the
circle, take 12 meters straight across, and you have your sector lines.
This takes 1/8th out of sectors.
Olympic Events - in National Federation by-laws only javelin is listed
as an approved event. Hammer and Steeplechase are not listed as official
events. It is felt that national federation events from the rule book
be the only ones allowed in California sanctioned affairs, and that wording
be added to the state constitution to that affect. These events should
not be held this year and the State CIF will send out a notice to that
effect. Liability concerns about use of old pole vault pits (even for
practice), hammer throw, and steeplechase competitions in sanctioned meets
will be particular points of emphasis in near future communication with
the State's Principals.
Tuesday Meeting next time - September 30th 2003.
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